Do Poor People Pay Taxes? And How Much is Fair?
At the end of Monday’s show, the question was raised of who pays taxes, who does not, and how much is fair. One caller complained that a third of his $300,000 income gets taken for taxes. Another caller, who grosses just $50,000 a year but has been unemployed before, said he would give half his pay if it meant people wouldn’t have to suffer the poverty of unemployment in this country. And another caller, who later honorably recanted the claim, tried to spread the disinformation that poor people pay no federal income taxes.
Assistant producer Alexandra and I both pointed out that we’ve recently been taxed on earnings less than the $22,000 floor the caller claimed below which one would pay no taxes. And eventually some tax experts called in to point out that if your taxable income is above zero, you pay federal taxes. All in all, the discussion was exactly the kind we love to have on the show. An issue gets raised, rumors get exposed, and everybody learns something.
On the larger matter of how much should we pay in taxes, how much is fair, etc — we probably all have different opinions on that, to be sure. But the point I always try to make is to look at what a person is left with after taxes, not the portion of one’s income that gets taken out. This is because we don’t all get paid fairly in the first place. One person who works 70 hours a week as a social worker or community organizer, trying desperately to make their neighborhood or city or world a better place, might bring home $25,000 a year, then lose $1500 of that (after deductions) in federal income taxes, leaving them with $23,500 with which to pay for food, housing, transportation, and lots of other taxes. Meanwhile, an arms merchant or a junk-bond trader — who contributes nothing to society, or detracts from it gravely — can make millions a year even after taxes, even if he or she pays the very highest tax rate. So where’s the fairness in that?
For the record, while deductions and tax credits get about a third or more of working Americans out of directly paying federal income taxes each year, this common argument and its implications are deceptive, since everyone who gets a paycheck loses a chunk to federal payroll taxes. Besides, plenty of people who would be considered poor by nearly any North American standard pay painful amounts in federal income taxes, with the lowest rate being 10%. And in the end, poor people pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes than rich people do, especially considering state and local taxes. And if we want a common enemy, let’s look at all the corporations that get away with paying no income taxes at all!
Here’s an interesting interview with a progressive tax expert, to counter all the garbage being floated around.
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